It all went bad, in my humble opinion … when good old, “J.F. Ferrier, coined that dreadful term, epistemology ... on the MODEL of ONTOLOGY, to designate THAT branch of PHILOSOPHY which AIMS to DISCOVER the MEANING of KNOWLEDGE, and he called it the 'TRUE BEGINING' of philosophy”, Nothing egotistical in the paragraph, eh? Thus was installed the seeds of materialism and the eradication of metaphysics in the western nations to this day
“Ontology, is the philosophical study of the nature of being, becoming, existence or reality, as well as the basic categories of being and their relations. “
Ontology asked beautifully worded, but extremely difficult ... questions, such as ... “"What is a thing?" ... "Into what categories, if any, can we sort existing things?" ... "What can be said to exist?" ... "What is existence", i.e. "What does it mean for a being to be?"” ... no easy answers for sure, as well as each questions having the possibility of many different answers being correct, depending on the level of comprehension they were working at.
“Epistemology is the STUDY of KNOWLEDGE. FIRST, we must determine the NATURE of KNOWLEDGE; that is, WHAT does it MEAN to SAY that someone KNOWS, or FAILS to KNOW, something? SECOND, we MUST DETERMINE the EXTENT of HUMAN KNOWLEDGE; that is, HOW much DO we, or CAN we, KNOW?”
Epistemology seems much more concerned with wanting to understand what they THINK they KNOW, and figuring out ways to know how WELL they can KNOW it … stuck in the never ending goal, of breaking “things” down into smaller and smaller pieces, needing more and more specialized studies, making more and more boxes to stroke their ego’s with their never-ending compulsion to invent new words and concepts to “prove” their beliefs (and why Etymology is soooo important! Lol) … while Epistemology was claiming they were the sole purveyors of the “TRUTH”! Whereas, Ontology was searching for the meaning of life and the universe we live in … not at all interested in the classification of every minute piece of matter, without contemplating what matter even is!
“Traditionally listed as a part of the major branch of philosophy known as metaphysics, ontology often deals with questions concerning what entities exist or may be said to exist and how such entities may be grouped, related within a hierarchy, and subdivided according to similarities and differences. Those of the Platonic school contended that all nouns (including abstract nouns) refer to existent entities.”
“Other philosophers, notably those preferring Epistemology contend that nouns do not always name entities, but that some provide a kind of shorthand for referring to a collection of either objects or events. In this latter view, mind, instead of referring to an entity, refers to a collection of mental events experienced by a person; society refers to a collection of persons with some shared characteristics, and geometry refers to a collection of a specific kind of intellectual activity”
The way they are using the word doesn't really jive with what I considered the subconscious mind to be ... but no surprise there, eh?lol Looking it up did not help much yet ... they defined it as "operating or existing outside of consciousness" but they classify MEMORIES as being in the subconscious, which means they consider them to be in the mind, right?? Not sure I believe that either, honestly.
And "Locke and Kristof write that there is a limit to what can be held in conscious focal awareness, so an alternative storehouse of one's knowledge and prior experience is needed, which they label the subconscious."
To remember something you have to be conscious, no? And according to John Jonides, Steven C. Lacey, and Derek Evan Nee at the University of Michigan, “(the characteristics of working memory (e.g., that it has limited storage capacity and limited duration), there is as yet no consensus about a model of its processes.)” So no help there, they have no idea!!
But it sounds to me, that they are just comparing two different activities of our MINDS, calling it consciousness ... but separating consciousness into conscious and subconscious, but that is not even close to my interpretation of the meaning of subconscious, though I am so far from an expert I would have to go sit on the moon just to match the gap, the shit just doesn't feel right.
So I am no closer to an answer than I was last night ... except for telling you what I think about the content in the video ... and then what I think myself of the conscious and subconscious ... because I honestly do not know WTF Bruce is talking about ... he is talking Charlie Brown teacher shit to me!! lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sattva
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology
http://www.iep.utm.edu/epistemo/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subconscious
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness
https://psy.fsu.edu/neelab/assets/jonideslaceyneecd.pdf
“Ontology, is the philosophical study of the nature of being, becoming, existence or reality, as well as the basic categories of being and their relations. “
Ontology asked beautifully worded, but extremely difficult ... questions, such as ... “"What is a thing?" ... "Into what categories, if any, can we sort existing things?" ... "What can be said to exist?" ... "What is existence", i.e. "What does it mean for a being to be?"” ... no easy answers for sure, as well as each questions having the possibility of many different answers being correct, depending on the level of comprehension they were working at.
“Epistemology is the STUDY of KNOWLEDGE. FIRST, we must determine the NATURE of KNOWLEDGE; that is, WHAT does it MEAN to SAY that someone KNOWS, or FAILS to KNOW, something? SECOND, we MUST DETERMINE the EXTENT of HUMAN KNOWLEDGE; that is, HOW much DO we, or CAN we, KNOW?”
Epistemology seems much more concerned with wanting to understand what they THINK they KNOW, and figuring out ways to know how WELL they can KNOW it … stuck in the never ending goal, of breaking “things” down into smaller and smaller pieces, needing more and more specialized studies, making more and more boxes to stroke their ego’s with their never-ending compulsion to invent new words and concepts to “prove” their beliefs (and why Etymology is soooo important! Lol) … while Epistemology was claiming they were the sole purveyors of the “TRUTH”! Whereas, Ontology was searching for the meaning of life and the universe we live in … not at all interested in the classification of every minute piece of matter, without contemplating what matter even is!
“Traditionally listed as a part of the major branch of philosophy known as metaphysics, ontology often deals with questions concerning what entities exist or may be said to exist and how such entities may be grouped, related within a hierarchy, and subdivided according to similarities and differences. Those of the Platonic school contended that all nouns (including abstract nouns) refer to existent entities.”
“Other philosophers, notably those preferring Epistemology contend that nouns do not always name entities, but that some provide a kind of shorthand for referring to a collection of either objects or events. In this latter view, mind, instead of referring to an entity, refers to a collection of mental events experienced by a person; society refers to a collection of persons with some shared characteristics, and geometry refers to a collection of a specific kind of intellectual activity”
The way they are using the word doesn't really jive with what I considered the subconscious mind to be ... but no surprise there, eh?lol Looking it up did not help much yet ... they defined it as "operating or existing outside of consciousness" but they classify MEMORIES as being in the subconscious, which means they consider them to be in the mind, right?? Not sure I believe that either, honestly.
And "Locke and Kristof write that there is a limit to what can be held in conscious focal awareness, so an alternative storehouse of one's knowledge and prior experience is needed, which they label the subconscious."
To remember something you have to be conscious, no? And according to John Jonides, Steven C. Lacey, and Derek Evan Nee at the University of Michigan, “(the characteristics of working memory (e.g., that it has limited storage capacity and limited duration), there is as yet no consensus about a model of its processes.)” So no help there, they have no idea!!
But it sounds to me, that they are just comparing two different activities of our MINDS, calling it consciousness ... but separating consciousness into conscious and subconscious, but that is not even close to my interpretation of the meaning of subconscious, though I am so far from an expert I would have to go sit on the moon just to match the gap, the shit just doesn't feel right.
So I am no closer to an answer than I was last night ... except for telling you what I think about the content in the video ... and then what I think myself of the conscious and subconscious ... because I honestly do not know WTF Bruce is talking about ... he is talking Charlie Brown teacher shit to me!! lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sattva
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology
http://www.iep.utm.edu/epistemo/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subconscious
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness
https://psy.fsu.edu/neelab/assets/jonideslaceyneecd.pdf